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Post by logan9a on Jan 19, 2020 21:29:39 GMT
If the person casting a spell that normally uses 'throw magic' wants to make things easier, they can opt to 'touch' (or grab) their target.
How to do it: Roll either 'grapple' (for grab target) or 'unarmed' to just touch the target.
The target may choose to defend against this or - if grappled, use their strength to throw you off, stab you repeatedly (your grapple for this purpose in no way diminishes their attacks) or whatever comes up.
If using unarmed to just touch someone then they are 'touched' until they basically run away. You spend a lot of time behind them. This is called the 'backpacker healing position'.
Either way, it takes one round to either grapple or unarmed touch the target. NEXT round (or action if hasted) you can start pumping spells into them.
If they are the kind of spells that require 'throw magic' the caster is at (while grappled/touching) a +30% to hit.
[Where this comes from - being a lame thrower of spells in NERO LARP, I'd use this all the time.]
What did I miss? Does anyone have questions?
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Post by thad on Jan 19, 2020 21:56:19 GMT
If someone is going to let you touch them, do you need to grapple/unarmed them?
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Post by PotatoJedi on Jan 19, 2020 22:23:32 GMT
Can you touch yourself for the same benefits?
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Post by M. on Jan 20, 2020 0:41:08 GMT
Thad - Yes in combat, No out of combat Alex - I touch myself all the time, so yes
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Post by logan9a on Jan 20, 2020 8:42:21 GMT
If someone is going to let you touch them, do you need to grapple/unarmed them? Yes - however if the person is KD, or choosing not to act at all so you can grab them during their round, you'd get a +30% to hit.
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Post by logan9a on Jan 20, 2020 8:43:41 GMT
Can you touch yourself for the same benefits? Damned good question. Thinking yes is the logical answer, no is the funny answer.
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Post by Scott on Jan 20, 2020 14:38:25 GMT
If you have to maintain contact, it seems like it should just be grapple, not unarmed. Also, I don't see why it couldn't count as a "real" grapple.
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Post by M. on Jan 20, 2020 20:15:42 GMT
If you have to maintain contact, it seems like it should just be grapple, not unarmed. Also, I don't see why it couldn't count as a "real" grapple. In the situation that arose last game, i was "backpacking" Freddy. He attempted to dodge an incoming attack, but Logan informed him it would not be possible as I had him grappled. I then informed Logan I never intended to grapple him, just place a hand on him, if he wished to break away from the healing in order to dodge, i was not stopping him. Hence the two different roles, one is just lay a hand on with no interference, the other is i'm holding on and pumping spells into you whether you like it or not. I think its important to differentiate between the two.
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Post by Scott on Jan 21, 2020 6:04:42 GMT
That would make sense, but Logan said even the grab and hold on grapple would not impede the enemy's attacks like a normal grapple would.
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Post by logan9a on Jan 21, 2020 7:28:03 GMT
If you have to maintain contact, it seems like it should just be grapple, not unarmed. Also, I don't see why it couldn't count as a "real" grapple. To keep it from being OP. Not only can I continue to blast you with spells but now I am also restricting what you can do!
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Post by logan9a on Jan 21, 2020 7:29:06 GMT
Also, if you are 'backpacking' someone and they dodge an attack, that attack is very likely to hit the backpack.
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Post by Scott on Jan 21, 2020 15:52:33 GMT
If you have to maintain contact, it seems like it should just be grapple, not unarmed. Also, I don't see why it couldn't count as a "real" grapple. To keep it from being OP. Not only can I continue to blast you with spells but now I am also restricting what you can do! Is it significantly different than grappling an enemy and continuing to punch them? For consistency's sake a grapple should always be a grapple. What happens if you grapple an enemy one round, punch them in the second round, do the touch cast thingy in the third, then go back to punching them in the fourth round?
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Post by logan9a on Jan 21, 2020 22:27:42 GMT
Hum. /thinking
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Post by PotatoJedi on Jan 21, 2020 22:43:28 GMT
Wouldn't it just be easier to declare what "kind" of grapple you are attempting to do? Loose grapple or full grapple. If it's a full grapple, treat it like we normally do. If it's a loose grapple, treat it as "I'm holding onto you but you can get free easily" i.e. no roll required.
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Post by logan9a on Jan 22, 2020 7:44:02 GMT
Thinking yes for consistency to what Scott said but no to loose grapple.
Just use unarmed without damage to 'touch'. You can keep touching unless they run off though both can walk around with each other doing this.
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