Rolling Stat-ups?

[Happy Fun Ball]

I can't remember how to roll stat ups?

Was it fail the stat at x3 and then roll 2d6 and if you get a seven go up, boxcars or snakeyes go down?

[logan9a]

Sorry - I just saw this:

fail STATx5, if failed, roll 2d6 and try to get a seven. If you do, stat goes up. If you get boxcars or snake eyes, stat goes down.


This is correct - also, if you get a new skill (at learn) and get a check in it then yes, that is a check in the stat LEARN.

[thad]

oh, you flipped it around.

[logan9a]

Actually, it is probably correct to have it be the 2d6 get a 7 one first - you are right. Because if you get snake eyes, it means that the stat will drop.

Good catch sir.

[logan9a]

If you get a check in your stat, roll 2d6.

If you roll a 2 (snake eyes) the stat decreases by one.

If you roll a 7, the stat may increase.

If you have rolled a 7, attempt to fail your STAT x5 - if you do, congratulations, your stat increases by one point.

[Scott]

So high stats are more likely to go down than up. Is that intentional?

[logan9a]

You are saying that statistically you are more likely to roll a one on two different d6 than to roll two d6 and in some combination get a seven?

[logan9a]

I'm not an expert in statistics so I asked google:


Snake Eyes. A roll of two 1s (the lowest roll possible) on a pair of six-sided dice. The probability of rolling snake eyes is 1/36, or 2.777...%.

For each of the possible outcomes add the numbers on the two dice and count how many times this sum is 7. If you do so you will find that the sum is 7 for 6 of the possible outcomes. Thus the sum is a 7 in 6 of the 36 outcomes and hence the probability of rolling a 7 is 6/36 = 1/6.

Hence, it appears you are six times more likely to get a 7 than a 2.

[Happy Fun Ball]

Feb 22, 2018 18:23:14 GMT logan9a said:

I'm not an expert in statistics so I asked google:


Snake Eyes. A roll of two 1s (the lowest roll possible) on a pair of six-sided dice. The probability of rolling snake eyes is 1/36, or 2.777...%.

For each of the possible outcomes add the numbers on the two dice and count how many times this sum is 7. If you do so you will find that the sum is 7 for 6 of the possible outcomes. Thus the sum is a 7 in 6 of the 36 outcomes and hence the probability of rolling a 7 is 6/36 = 1/6.

Hence, it appears you are six times more likely to get a 7 than a 2.

I think what he meant is that going up has the STATx5 fail barrier and going down doesn't, thus adding a hoop to up-stats, which is the way I remember it.

[Scott]

Feb 22, 2018 18:49:12 GMT Happy Fun Ball said:

Feb 22, 2018 18:23:14 GMT logan9a said:

I'm not an expert in statistics so I asked google:


Snake Eyes. A roll of two 1s (the lowest roll possible) on a pair of six-sided dice. The probability of rolling snake eyes is 1/36, or 2.777...%.

For each of the possible outcomes add the numbers on the two dice and count how many times this sum is 7. If you do so you will find that the sum is 7 for 6 of the possible outcomes. Thus the sum is a 7 in 6 of the 36 outcomes and hence the probability of rolling a 7 is 6/36 = 1/6.

Hence, it appears you are six times more likely to get a 7 than a 2.

I think what he meant is that going up has the STATx5 fail barrier and going down doesn't, thus adding a hoop to up-stats, which is the way I remember it.

Exactly this.

Snake Eyes = 1 in 36 = 2.77% = .0277
Seven = 6 in 36 = 16.66% = .1666

But getting both 7 and an 85 or higher d100 in conjunction is .166 * .15 = .0249 = 2.49%

That's why when I GM'd this system, I always had players roll the stat*5 first, then check for a 7 or a 2. I don't remember boxcars meaning a stat-down, that must be new, but if you do that it makes the problem more than twice as bad.

Snake eyes OR Boxcars = 2 in 36 = 5.55%
Getting both 7 and an 70 or higher d100 in conjunction is .166 * .3 = .0498 = 4.98%

[Happy Fun Ball]

Perhaps this problem is balanced by the "Failure is Sweet" and "Seven" cards? I remember actually getting both a couple of times. Good lord, I can't do the math on that though.

[Scott]

There's also Spark of Divinity IIRC, but from what I remember, Logan's card deck is rather huge (I did't notice any threads on cards or changes to that system) so the chance of drawing let alone keeping those cards can't be counted on, though it seems that when people do stat up it would be from using one or more of those.

It still doesn't seem right to me for a 14 stat to be more likely to go down than go up by default.

[logan9a]

Feb 22, 2018 19:30:47 GMT Scott said:

It still doesn't seem right to me for a 14 stat to be more likely to go down that go up by default.

It's an equalizer.

Keep stats from all reaching the max of 20.

Yes, the snake eyes thing has been in the system for close to two decades but is often forgotten.

[thad]

Yeah, rolling 2d6 has always been first in HC, because that's the first poz, to avoid the snake eyes. Then many poz to get a seven. Then even more poz to get >*5. It's a thing that happens.

[Fantômas]

Feb 22, 2018 21:09:21 GMT thad said:

Yeah, rolling 2d6 has always been first in HC, because that's the first poz, to avoid the snake eyes. Then many poz to get a seven. Then even more poz to get >*5. It's a thing that happens.

With poz being changed to a max of 20, should this poz drain be reviewed?