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Post by Jaypay on Apr 10, 2019 23:01:18 GMT
Seems like a nice and simple way to make it fair for everyone. I can still see the cards being a 'bit of a sticky wicket' but honestly, painting parties are getting to be too much. Seems like Cards are just a nice extra, if you're lucky enough to get one. Is it mainly that painting parties are boring? Because it seems really simple to execute and move on (roll xd100), or is it that you really want to avoid all that time passing in game and screwing with plot and expenses? Personally, painting/trump, are the main skills I want for my character (and perform: didgeridoo). Being a merchant/fixer type, having the ability to move goods and materials around a little more freely is way more appealing than taking time to learn spells, but I have no objection fast forwarding through the training part... And since I only have an 11% chance, currently, and was shewed away last time after like 2 attempts... having 10 rolls trying to succeed sounds great. I may actually see it go up eventually and be able to use it.
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Post by logan9a on Apr 10, 2019 23:05:14 GMT
"or is it that you really want to avoid all that time passing in game and screwing with plot and expenses?"
That's a big part of it, but also the amount of IG time used for 'painting parties' has been going up in a crazy amount. Even if I made it so that a painting took half an hour to do, the amount of painting time OOG is still in the WTF category. Then, it is pretty much going to be "You will get a check with a decent chance of critting every damned session". And we lose an hour or two of potentially more interesting stuff happening.
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Post by Fantômas on Apr 10, 2019 23:24:13 GMT
What about a power you can only roll against if a different power works? would you then need to split your 10 dice rolls amongst the two? >>>Example? Shape-change heal can only be rolled against if you've made a successful shape-change
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Post by Jaypay on Apr 10, 2019 23:32:33 GMT
"And we lose an hour or two of potentially more interesting stuff happening. An hour or two, holy dooley! Logan needs to flex his choleric side in those situations.
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Post by Fantômas on Apr 10, 2019 23:33:13 GMT
"or is it that you really want to avoid all that time passing in game and screwing with plot and expenses?" That's a big part of it, but also the amount of IG time used for 'painting parties' has been going up in a crazy amount. Even if I made it so that a painting took half an hour to do, the amount of painting time OOG is still in the WTF category. Then, it is pretty much going to be "You will get a check with a decent chance of critting every damned session". And we lose an hour or two of potentially more interesting stuff happening. Alot of that is because at the majority of peoples skill levels it takes a while to be successful at both rolls. And as there is often more than one person doing it, that adds to the time.
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Post by Fantômas on Apr 10, 2019 23:37:19 GMT
Also what you are currently proposing won't affect the painting party situations as that is not practice. There is an in game reason for people wanting to create a trump for locations.
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Post by Jaypay on Apr 10, 2019 23:40:21 GMT
Also what you are currently proposing won't affect the painting party situations as that is not practice. There is an in game reason for people wanting to create a trump for locations. Hear, hear!
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Post by PotatoJedi on Apr 10, 2019 23:43:02 GMT
Also what you are currently proposing won't affect the painting party situations as that is not practice. There is an in game reason for people wanting to create a trump for locations. Yeah. I still feel like we shouldn't be limited if we want to spend some time to create a Trump if we feel like it's something important that needs to be done/would be useful. If it takes time, it takes time. We can figure out a way of reducing the Out Of Game time of creating Trumps easily enough. That's really the only thing I'm seeing as an unfair drawback. Everything else sounds perfectly reasonable. If you can tell me why Trump making takes so long Out Of Game (I honestly hadn't noticed that much myself. Most of the time spent was preparing/finding a location. The actual Trumps themselves didn't seem to take that long), perhaps I can think of a way of reducing that time and speeding it up.
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Post by logan9a on Apr 11, 2019 8:51:06 GMT
"perhaps I can think of a way of reducing that time and speeding it up."
I'm interested!
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Post by PotatoJedi on Apr 11, 2019 13:00:26 GMT
Again – I need someone to tell me which part of Trump making takes the longest. I've been part of a few paint parties and generally what takes the most time is just finding a location to paint.
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Post by logan9a on Apr 11, 2019 13:55:17 GMT
Thinking that it might just be a question of subtly; with certain limits for paint parties.
If you were allowed for example ten total chances for painting per session (that took little IG time)
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Ten 'training attempts' in Amber powers (not painting cards) and spells (total - you have to pick)
Would that be enough?
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Post by PotatoJedi on Apr 11, 2019 14:09:34 GMT
10 painting/trump attempts sounds reasonable. That's 20 days. I don't think we've ever gone over 28 days paint partying anyway.
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Post by Fantômas on Apr 11, 2019 14:20:16 GMT
Thinking that it might just be a question of subtly; with certain limits for paint parties. If you were allowed for example ten total chances for painting per session (that took little IG time) For people with starting/low skill level this would not be enough. eg if had painting at 20% and create trump at 20% then they would only have a 4% chance of making both rolls.
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Post by logan9a on Apr 11, 2019 15:19:24 GMT
Still needing a solution for this then...
Basically, I'm not wanting to take a lot of OOG or IG time with paint parties. I get that Trump cards are massively useful and everyone wants to collect the full set. Of everything. I get that.
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Post by Scott on Apr 11, 2019 16:20:10 GMT
I think we could replace all of the "Passing the time" rolls with the ten practice attempts idea and call it a win.
Passing the time Example: You're travelling for 5 days. So you burn through your MP and amber/matrix powers 5 times trying to get crits/checks.
If you need/want to make a trump of someone/someplace that is still an IG/non-practice thing that is going to suck up some time because everyone is an amateur at painting. However; we can all probably just agree to be considerate and not spend all of our time just doing that.
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WTF is this? I crit several "Create Trump" rolls and nothing happened. Nor is there a hint of anything happening in the documentation.
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